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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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yes it's the skeptic zone show 172 for

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the fifth of februari 2012 Stefan Saiga

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here I'm all by myself because Richard

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Saunders is not very well ah seems he

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picked up a trans-pacific bug last week

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flown back to Australia from the US and

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has lost his voice well there may be a

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solution I have just stuck in to

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acupuncture needles into the

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communication meridians of my crown

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chakra and I'm going to try and and

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channel Richard into the studio and

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let's see if we can get him to co-host

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anyway because I believe he's so out of

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it after his trip that his only his

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astral self is conscious at this moment

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Richard are you there hello Stefan how's

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it going hey Richard you are actually

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here well I'm not actually here Stefan

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I'm actually channeling myself through

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your voice from my astral plane self

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that's residing just hovering above my

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corpse in my bed and I'm completely out

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of it but I'm here all the same well

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here we are just the two of us just hang

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and loosened dawn a little intro well

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Stefan we've got a big show coming up on

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this week's show we've got another

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report from our brand-new report a penny

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Chan panty interviews magician and

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Mentalist marc-edouard sounds good

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Richard not to be confused with

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so-called psychic John Edward hmm they

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could be brothers could they Richard no

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Stefan they're not although mark can do

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much the same sort of thing how we'll

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find out at the top of the show Richard

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I think Penny's doing a great job of

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being a new host on the show what do you

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think Stefan I think she's doing an

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incredible job and by the way Richard

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thanks also to all the people who have

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been enjoying the download of our little

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making of the making of the theme song

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it was a lot of fun there oh yes it was

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Stefan it was a lot of fun and it good

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to see you didn't get um to trash by the

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end of that and you actually got through

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each the job for us thank you very much

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no worries Richard following that region

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I believe before you came home and lost

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your voice you caught up with penny chan

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for a chat at the skeptics in the pub at

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the University of California Irvine yes

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I did Stefan and we had a lot of fun

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there's even a couple of photos that you

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might see on on Facebook or Twitter

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sounds very good i wish i was there i

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wish i was there Richard but

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unfortunately I'm stuck here in the

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studio with my acupuncture needles in my

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meridians channeling you just finding

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out all about it then Stefan it's dr.

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Rachel reports with dr. Rachel Dunlop

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who is getting more famous by the minute

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it seems national TV radio skeptics in

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the pub this week dr. Rachel fills us in

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on a new group organized here in

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Australia to bring pressure on

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universities that stop teaching whoo

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friends of science in medicine Richard

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that sounds like a great idea it

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certainly is Devon if you want to see

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the reaction from the forces of darkness

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to this group just Google friends of

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science in medicine I can imagine she

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would be whipping up a storm which as I

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believe this week we have yet another

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installment from not dr. Stefan cyka but

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this week the Reverend Stefan Saiga who

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i believe is bringing a revolution in

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software to the worshipping world Stefan

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I can't wait to hear all about it

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anything else Richard what have we got

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after that well I'm a little bit too out

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of it to know what I'm talking about

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Stefan but I believe we're going to

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round off the show with a follow-up

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report from Ian price of the Australian

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skeptics about the Rossi ecat cold

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fusion machine as the world found a new

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way to produce cheap clean energy that

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will completely change the world I think

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ian is still a little skeptical well

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Richard you better go back and let your

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astral self blend with your normal self

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lying there in your bed all jet-lagged

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and googly and everything else and you

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can't even talk and I will get on with

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the show in the meantime I'm sure all

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our lessness wish you a speedy recovery

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thank you Stefan I think I'll go back to

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is penny Chen with a penny for your

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when i was 10 i checked out a library

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book about magic tricks I learned how to

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make coins disappear and stick pins

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through my finger which really made my

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mom squirm and I performed the feat for

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her marc-edouard began in much the same

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way introduced a magic tricks by his

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grandfather as a young child today he is

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a professional magician Mentalist

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educator author and blogger on all

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things magic and psychics recently i sat

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in on one of his magic classes he went

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around the room and asked students what

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they were interested in learning I know

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it's cheesy but I really think it's cool

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and you make things disappear like it's

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like poisons things i'd also like to

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learn how to make cards come out of my

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mouth we'll start slow though little

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things from the mouth of my specialties

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but we'll see if we can find stuff you

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can do that one can't you yes sir I'm

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going to put my own specialty which is

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mentalism now what I'm trying what I'm

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trying to do with my mentalism is

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combined as many because many of these

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different things as possible because

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that's my my own specialty so for those

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of you who are new to magic if you don't

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know what man

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it's not a disease a few days later I

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met up with Mark at a coffee shop in San

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Pedro ray told me about his career as a

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magician psychic and Mentalist and his

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most recent book psychic blues as a

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former psychic performer mark has seen

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deep inside the ruse still he keeps an

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open mind to the possibility of psychic

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power and now works with organizations

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like the independent investigations

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group testing individual claims of

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psychic abilities and this book that you

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have coming out in release it yeah i

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hope i've got my fingers crossed psychic

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quiz yeah and what's that about psychic

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blues is about how I got started doing

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psychic readings it's basically my whole

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career from the bottom to the top and

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back down again because I kind of made

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it one of my goals was to try and climb

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to the top see how far I could get in a

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psychic business but not being a

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believer other words lying to the liars

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well I lied to the liars you know they

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didn't know that I was scamming them the

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whole time gaming scanner scanner miss

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cameras can't because I really wanted to

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learn the the big market other because

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they were making millions and millions

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of a skittle are but now it's just more

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diverse but for example when the 900

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lines came out they they were makin

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billions a year so it's dark it's a dark

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humor book it's not it's not a

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metaphysical book in any shape or form

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you know that's because it's tricky yes

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oh yeah it's inside of you can you get

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to see how they get there they're

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infomercials how they how they operated

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in Mecca in terms of the 900 things but

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there's all sorts of other parts of the

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psychic world most people don't know

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about there's the agents that book them

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there's the churches there's the so

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wrong that they go to change does the

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event planner that does weddings and bar

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mitzvahs and things like that that hires

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a psychic there's a

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there's just a lot of different things

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that people don't realize they think

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that most psychics are like these

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aesthetic people that sit in in a yoga

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position albeit I mean they're on every

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city i go to you i'm off the highway

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there they're neon signs right palm

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readings two rows and now and now i

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really believe they were and I call it

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the Golden Age of the con because what

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it was but the worst the economy gets

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the more these these things happen my

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tradition people get yeah yeah so now

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we're in that we're in a state where

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millions of people have lost their jobs

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so it's kind of a double-edged sword not

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only are people looking for answers but

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people who don't have jobs are going hey

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you know the psychic thing looks pretty

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good i can read tarot cards this as good

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as anybody it was unjust eggs when i was

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i was out of work i was looking right

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look on craigslist yeah yeah there was

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one that was for psychics it's like it

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they come in and audition I make no

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that's what exit out that's what

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everybody thinks I could put that out I

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really consider because i was spelling

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you know what about your conscience stop

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feeling also your father would know I

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doubt very much if these suckers calling

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you know it's your fault but also I'm

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like what if like you or somebody calls

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in yeah I went to Mississippi no yeah

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I'm just you think i would spend 3 99

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they asked with you I'm good I don't

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know there might be some other you know

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science journalist up there going how

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can I was not many skeptics today I I

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did it for nine years and I'd say maybe

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maybe one skeptic every 200 calls but

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and most of them were not

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but we would call intelligent

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intellectual skeptics they were just

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daring me you know they go what color

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socks of my word right now I go white

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and they go wow man you're good that

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wouldn't work for me I never wear white

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socks yeah well I'm just saying I just

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took up I took a big chance you know so

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so I mean it's just that though it's

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there's so many people eventually

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there's going to become a tipping point

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where will be so many psychics that it

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won't be it won't be special anymore you

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know but if we haven't reached that

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saturation point yet so I kind of wanted

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to put this book out sort of the Warren

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people so it's not really a complete

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it's not what I would call it the bunker

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and exposure I didn't want it to just go

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or experience just what you know yeah

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and I my idea was to try and reach the

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biggest market I could get and I've

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learned that you can't reach the biggest

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market by just being mr. skeptic

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and I also think that there is some

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positive benefits to it in some ways

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because it's basically it's the poor

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man's dead

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you can't afford to go to a

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analyst to go to the Gypsy effect to it

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just to know that somebody is looking in

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your hat the I am talking to you about

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your life but if it's a psychic she's

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scamming you yeah you might even less

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something oh you should know better

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there's 10 I mean even though I'm I

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don't believe sorry good okay yeah

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there's a psychic tarot card reader

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right you know within walking distance

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of my house yeah I always pass by it and

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I think I just want to go in there's

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never anybody in there is there but she

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also runs a a new age shop next door so

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I know that's how she makes she sells

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crystal like right right i want two days

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do whatever in their house who you

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always want to go and i just want to go

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in there just see what she has to say

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what will she tell me about yeah but see

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that's that's I would say that's eighty

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to ninety percent of the people at

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around but really just curiosity yeah

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you know they're not planning on really

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doing what the Gypsy says I'm planning

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the whole life around they're just cute

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yeah but the thing that stops me is how

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I want hair you know it's it you know

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like I say in my book I don't think

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there's any I mean there's a whole

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spectrum of

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readers and ways they do things so you

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know I'd say again a ninety percent of

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them are crooks but the other ten

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percent you never know and I mean if

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you're willing to get a second opinion

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if you've got some really powerful life

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experience that you want to get a second

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opinion on and you can't go to your

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family and you can't go to you don't

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want to go to a church you know why not

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just go to you could it would be nice if

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you go to a stranger on the street like

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here at starbucks and just say hey

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listen now I needed to make a decision

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but people won't talk to you they'll

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think you're crazy yeah when did you

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start doing magic I was only doing magic

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when i was around eleven years old and

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but I was exposed to it through my

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grandfather so from from the very time I

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was probably five or six years old I was

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seeing it being performed but I didn't

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understand what it was because a child

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is just innocent you just think magic is

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everywhere anyway so but by the time

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you're ten or eleven would start to

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understand wait a minute things don't

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normally float in right there unless

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that's on a cartoon yeah so probably by

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the time I was ten or eleven and started

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going to magic shops and

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it's like toys you know I had toys that

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I played with but it was magic my

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parents were pretty much encouraging on

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that level they like it because when i

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got to the good at it by 12 or 13 i

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would entertain their guests when they

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come over for dinner you know dinner

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theater yeah look my little cave i had a

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little faith and everything nowhere was

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this is this in California cuz in Palos

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Verdes California yeah but I quickly got

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bored with regular magic I didn't like a

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prayer versus okay that's how i got into

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mentalism i really like the mind reading

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stuff better so it can can you do

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mentalism at the Magic Castle yeah

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that's what I'm going to be doing a

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couple of weeks hey yeah they don't the

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only thing about the castle is they

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don't like people who do mentalism well

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they let's put it this way they have

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mentalists work there that they don't

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actively encouraged a lot of mentalist

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because they don't like anything that

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people believe in yeah they wanted they

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wanted to be obviously an illusion so

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that's where I kind of part company with

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them is because I want people to think

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that I have supernatural powers but you

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call yourself a Mentalist yeah

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distinguish yourself from the official

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well i was gonna say from a sidekick I

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mean is that yeah well I you know for a

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while I was in a group called the

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psychic entertainers Association so I

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called myself a psychic entertainer and

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that that worked for a while your elite

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independent investigation is when did

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you hurt well first get inside I was I

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was working with your father on the

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Sunnis kept ologist TV show

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and I had really I had done the Penn &

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Teller show and then I did an NBC show

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about psychic fake psychics and I've

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always been involved I've always been

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fascinated by how they work but I really

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didn't act and I've also been involved

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with the skeptical movement since the

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70s because my idea was if something

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real comes along I mean it I was never

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really a believer but there was a side

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of me that said what if or don't be

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close-minded maybe you know like when I

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first got into mentalism because i was

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learning all these things about

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clairvoyance and precognition and

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telekinesis and all these things that

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sounded like they're in the lab you know

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they must be real and I didn't know any

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better when i was doing magic but it

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fascinated me that might happen that

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there might be this possibility so I I

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got involved with skepticism because I

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figured if something is discovered or

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uncovered that the skeptics are going to

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be the ones that will find it it won't

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come from the believers because they

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already believe in it it's like they're

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up they are teased but it work so you

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can levitate we know that you know but

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if the skeptics found somebody and they

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tested them and they were doing these

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more than chance things then that's

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where we come from come from science it

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wouldn't come from

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the New Age movement have you actually

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tested oh yeah so when you talk about

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some others or overall they're all at

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the AIG wescom you can see because what

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women and the I IG has really moved

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dramatically forward I mean we really

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were really getting a lot of scheme

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right now because well because they

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started to really focus on being

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proactive and taking in a lot of a lot

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of applications for people who say they

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can do so yeah now we've got some very

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interesting interesting ones we've got a

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huge backless the people that were just

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trying to decide how to test if the

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protocol has to be decided and agreed

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upon by both parties so that's not

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always easy because most of these people

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they on their applications and say I'm

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psychic and you say well what can you do

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anything I can do anything I talked to

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God and are like well how do we test

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that it show us how we can test that you

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then we had this one guy I might mention

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his name who says that he is he could be

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a Bible prophet reincarnated we're going

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okay how do we test that so we kind of

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put it in their laps you know show us

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how we can test that and then we'll do

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it and then they stopped writing you

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know suddenly so so it boils down to

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that's what steering committee does is

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we look at the ones that still hang in

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there after a couple months and really

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believe that they have something before

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we parted ways I decided to show off

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some of my magic skills one magician to

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pick a card any card all right and stick

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it back in the deck all right all right

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are you thinking of your car I am I'm

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concentrate concentrate I will shuffle

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the deck I and you are sending me

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psychic messages yes okay and I'm was

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hey Kenny oh hi Tom I save this park

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yeah yes great weather oh look a unicorn

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unicorn there are no such things as

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unicorns silly yes there is no there

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isn't hey guys what are you arguing

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about tom thinks unicorns are real say

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so our let's look this up in the

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skeptics dictionary the what how can we

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do this in this bar there is no computer

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here you guys probably don't know about

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the skeptics dictionary app available

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now for iPhone iPad and iPod touch in

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the app store Wow cool the app lets you

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access all of the great skeptics

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dictionary articles when you're on the

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go here let me look up unicorns down

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cool Kenny prepare to be proven wrong it

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says here the Unicorn is a creature from

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fables aha actually I see now that

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someone just dumped their ice cream cone

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on that horse's head thanks skeptics

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well I'm still in the United States

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folks and I've only for a few days I've

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been visiting with Brian darling from

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skip go com a good friend but I'm really

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happy to catch up with our brand new

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reporter penny Chen hi penny hi Richard

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and I've sent you on a little mission

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some to ask some questions which will be

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coming up in or maybe even on the next

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episode of the skeptic zone I hope

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you're having fun being a skeptic zone

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reporter I'm having so much fun I really

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like it I'm really pleased to hear that

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I even noticed that your dad bought you

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a new microphone for your I found to do

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interviews yes and it's working great so

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far it's fun to use so you've been

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asking lots of people lots of questions

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which I'm looking forward to hearing

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hearing the answers on the skeptic zone

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and I must say penny I had the great

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pleasure of having lunch with your dad

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your dad up in San Francisco nice i'm in

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berkeley in fact a couple of days ago I

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he's a nice guy he's a nice guy but

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let's just say he's a really nice guy

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yeah and he took took us a little tour

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of do you see the score did you see mr.

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the school where he teaches yeah I never

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been there before oh well I've been

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around there but not not to where he is

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exactly but the funniest thing was the

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and and maybe our listeners don't

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realize this that Berkeley University

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Nobel laureates get their own parking

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spot did you know that I did not know

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that but it makes sense yeah and you

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think oh wow that that's that's nice but

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but it costs a fortune to pocket

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berkeley yes it does i'm lucky enough

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whenever I need to go there I just

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borrow my dad's parking pass and like

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just use that but he showed us the UM

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the parking spots allocated for nobel

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laureates and i think there was seven or

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eight which i counted yeah yeah good

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grief that's a well we're here at

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actually where the university of

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california irvine which is not far from

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Los Angeles we're here for skeptics in

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the pub which is really great though

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it's a huge table full of skeptics and

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I'm so pleased and everyone's coming up

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to say hello to me which is really nice

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I

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like the concept of skeptics in the pub

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I think it's it's it's great i know it's

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all around the world and i keep saying

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to people if you don't have a skeptics

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in the pub in your city no matter where

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you are in the world why not organise

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ones you really should it's so easy to

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do just facebook or meetup com i don't

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know if you guys have that oh yeah

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absolutely that's more why'd ya meetup

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com is the way to go I think yeah

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Facebook of course pick a pub which is

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is pop any pub will do really hopefully

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one that serves food I think that that's

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a good move pick a night put it out

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there if you do let me know at the

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skeptic zone i'll certainly be happy to

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run to promote it and you meet wonderful

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interesting people yep it's fun I really

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like it I mean I look forward to coming

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I'm kind of stuck in the middle I live

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in long beach which is halfway between a

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kind of halfway between what's a year

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irvine where we are now and then there's

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one and that meets in north hollywood

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uh-huh with the greater la skeptics one

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so it's kind of difficult to get up

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there especially on saturday nights so i

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think i've only gone to one or two up

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there in Hollywood which I love that

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bunch too i love you guys you guys are

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great but that's easier for me to come

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down here because there's a pretty

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traffic coming down here here's a lovely

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pop I mean any pub will do photo really

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will um and you won't regret it it's a

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good night annually like I said you mean

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the most afraid you meet your friend you

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do you mean really good friends who have

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a similar interest and isn't that what

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everybody craves meeting people with the

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similar interests penny it's so nice to

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have you on the skeptic zone and I and

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I'm sure our audience look forward to

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all your lovely reports coming up i love

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i love reporting for you guys much love

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to y'all in australia and whoever

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listens all around the world even in

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California yeah we should actually go

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back into the pub now he keep

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this is ben Radford I'm deputy editor of

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skeptical inquirer science magazine

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author of six books including tracking

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chupacabra and you can find out more

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about me at Benjamin Radford calm now

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it's time for dr. Richie reports with

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dr. Rachel Dunlop color listeners and

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welcome to dr. ecchi reports this week

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I'm going to talk to you about watered

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down science being taught in Australian

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universities now if you live in

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Australia you probably thought that

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homeopathy was not publicly funded in

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Australia at least not directly on the

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zone previously I've talked about how

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the government supplements private

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health funds which can fund things like

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homeopathy but this has always been in

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direct funding not direct well in the

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media in the last few weeks in Australia

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there's been a lot of talk about

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complementary and alternative medicine

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being taught in universities and a new

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lobby group known as friends of science

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in medicine was recently established to

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get the discussion going about whether

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this is a good thing now full disclosure

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at this point because I recently added

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my name to the 400 long list of doctors

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scientists and concerned citizens who

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are worried about pseudoscience creeping

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into universities so the discussion has

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been taking place in the form of several

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articles written for a website called

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the conversation and lots of articles in

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the mainstream media including a poll

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which appeared in fairfax this week

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where you can vote whether you think

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pseudoscience should stay in

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universities and the discussion not

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unsurprisingly has ruffled some feathers

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which i think is a really good thing as

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i said in a comment i left on a story

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about this on the conversation website I

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don't see anything wrong with us looking

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at these courses and determining if what

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they are teaching is evidence-based now

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if we find that there's nothing wrong

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with the courses we can carry on our

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merry way

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and everyone's happy yet some kin

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proponents don't seem to see it this way

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some have been behaving as if they have

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been persecuted and some are claiming

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that taking cam out of universities puts

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the public at risk as practitioners are

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more likely exposed to shonky teaching

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now I haven't seen any evidence for this

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but as usual I'm willing to look at it

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if it is true however this misses the

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point that it doesn't matter where you

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teach pseudoscience if it's nonsense

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outside of the university it remains

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nonsense when taught inside one so for

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example teaching homeopathy or tactile

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therapy in a university environment

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won't make it work so recently on

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Twitter the argument began to heat up

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with one of Australia's most well-known

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doctors and supporters of CAM Professor

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Kerin Phelps jumping into the mix now on

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Australia Day myself and several other

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people had quite a long conversation

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with her which remained for the most

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part civil if not a little heated and

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this was until I suggested that we just

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weed out the stuff from universities

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that we know doesn't work or we know

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can't work for example subluxations in

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chiropractic and homeopathy the response

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i received from Professor Phelps was

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rather odd to say the least and I'm

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still unsure exactly what she was

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getting at basically my tweet to her

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said but homeopathy will never work

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subluxations for chiropractic will never

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be found and her response to this was

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the homeopath argument is always the

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last refuge of the skeptic now I'm not

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exactly sure what this means but some

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people suggested this is an example of

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the no true Scotsman fallacy and

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basically this really means don't

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mention homeopathy even we're

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embarrassed as can proponents by

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homeopathy so in the meantime I've been

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poking around for information on whether

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homeopathy is taught in universities in

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Australia as a standalone subject and I

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haven't found any evidence can

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practitioners indeed had confirmed this

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to me pointing out that it was a

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requirement to enter the bachelor of

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health science complementary medicine at

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charles sturt university but was not

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taught as a separate

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subject well in fact they were wrong

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homeopathy is taught as a standalone

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subject at a publicly funded University

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in New South Wales as part of Southern

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Cross University's bachelor of clinical

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sciences indeed they offer two courses

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in homeopathy introductory homeopathy

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and clinical homeopathy and it's also

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offered as a service in their health

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clinic in fact there's even a prize

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offered at Southern Cross University

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known as the Warren Brower memorial

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prize it's awarded to the net trappa

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Thea Ward graduate who has exhibited a

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high level of proficiency in the

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understanding and application of

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homeopathy and the prizes to the value

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of five hundred dollars and it's donated

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by brow and natural medicine now Brower

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natural medicine are one of the biggest

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manufacturers of homeopathy in Australia

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so since Southern Cross University is a

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publicly funded University they receive

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government funding and in 2011 they

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received 32 million dollars thus public

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funding is going towards the teaching of

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nonsense in Australian universities and

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I say that with confidence because

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homeopathy is nonsense so I've written

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to Southern Cross University to ask for

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their course outlines for both these

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classes and i'm hoping i get to see them

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so i can get a better idea of exactly

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what they teach so with continued

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pressure from friends of science in

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medicine this conversation will likely

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continue for some time and I would like

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to see the first casualties to be these

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courses at Southern Cross University the

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debate is still raging at the website

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the conversation edu a you and this

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comment that was left some time ago has

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really summed up this debate for me it's

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from an ex herbalist and the following

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excerpts speaks volumes time to face the

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facts data is coming in and it's not

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looking good it's clearly showing that

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what we do is not much better than

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placebo so the question is do we have

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the humility to accept the evidence and

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dump these theories I doubt it have I

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seen the industry contest or reject its

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own stupidities like live blood analysis

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or detoxing when it can't name one toxin

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that it's a method supposedly detox

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oh it embraces them instead if you'd

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like to leave a comment you can find the

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accompanying blog for this week's dr.

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Richie reports on the official blog of

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the skeptic zone at skeptics book calm

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and for those listeners who are in

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Australia I'm giving a talk on Wednesday

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the februari 15 2012 in Canberra for the

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Canberra skeptics entitled diagnosis by

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dr. Google well I'll be going through

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some of the more bizarre and strange

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information you can find on the internet

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talking about diagnosis by dr. Google

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and how you can actually find accurate

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health information on the Internet the

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lecture is free it goes from six o'clock

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til 730 and we're having dinner

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afterwards so if you'd like to join us

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for dinner you can RSVP at mail at

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Canberra skeptics okay you and you can

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Canberra skeptics or gay you and until

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next time this has been dr. retching

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dr. Rachel Dunlop is one of Australia's

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foremost media commentators in matters

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concerning so-called alternative

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medicine she has appeared on national

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radio and national television dr. AG is

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available for interviews and you can

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contact her at Rachel at skeptic zone

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built-in database of 700 million

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different images of Jesus right click

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cliff face or in excrement speared pigs

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image of Christ with the same or even

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better accuracy than an astrologer if

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you thought tracing the minut detail of

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a Scorpion's exoskeleton out of 18

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points of light in the sky was amazing

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try feeding your own wedding photos into

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our software application Jesus will be

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revealed in the entrée the red wine

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stains on the tablecloth and you might

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even find Jesus face as an exact match

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on the celebrant yours Truly's face

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since I did get one of those caricature

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artists at the local markets to draw me

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looking like Jesus with a halo and crown

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of thorns a few months back and uploaded

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the image to Flickr Picasa and my own

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web page naming it Jesus hyphen face.jpg

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to ensure Google would pick it up if you

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order now we'll throw in for free our

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full set of expansion packs the baby

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we plug it into a pair of wearable

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goggles so that you can live your entire

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life bombarded by millions of images of

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Jesus overlaid onto your own augmented

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reality in this version we will also be

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adding the Satan expansion pack so you

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can know

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just how tenuous your grip on salvation

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is with temptation literally everywhere

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but fear not it's nothing that a visit

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to the charismatic church of our Lord

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and chapel beside the city to Newcastle

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I'm Eugenie Scott executive director of

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the National Center for Science

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Education in Oakland California we

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00:37:19,660 --> 00:37:17,869
defend and support the teaching of

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00:37:21,550 --> 00:37:19,670
evolution and climate change when it

873
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:21,560
comes under attack for religious and

874
00:37:26,109 --> 00:37:23,690
political reasons we help teachers

875
00:37:28,750 --> 00:37:26,119
parents school boards and other citizens

876
00:37:32,290 --> 00:37:28,760
defend good science in the schools come

877
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:32,300
visit us at NCC calm and on YouTube and

878
00:37:37,450 --> 00:37:34,880
Facebook and let us know if science

879
00:37:49,569 --> 00:37:37,460
comes under attack in your community we

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00:37:55,370 --> 00:37:52,569
this is ian Bryce of Australian skeptics

881
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,380
continuing with our description from a

882
00:37:59,989 --> 00:37:57,359
couple of weeks ago of the rusty

883
00:38:03,109 --> 00:37:59,999
coldfusion tests you recall that a

884
00:38:07,099 --> 00:38:03,119
couple of weeks ago we spoke of my

885
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:07,109
investigation into mr. Rossi's so-called

886
00:38:11,630 --> 00:38:09,930
ecat energy catalyzer in italy which has

887
00:38:13,249 --> 00:38:11,640
for the last year he's been showing to

888
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:13,259
scientists and making claims of

889
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:15,209
producing much more heat out than heat

890
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:19,890
in by virtue of cold fusion so I'll just

891
00:38:23,959 --> 00:38:21,839
read a little bit for you from the press

892
00:38:25,819 --> 00:38:23,969
release with that we put out how russy's

893
00:38:28,849 --> 00:38:25,829
cold fusion tests misled the world

894
00:38:30,890 --> 00:38:28,859
scientists inadvertent miss wiring of

895
00:38:32,509 --> 00:38:30,900
leads is the cause all around the world

896
00:38:34,759 --> 00:38:32,519
thousands of people have been heralding

897
00:38:36,439 --> 00:38:34,769
the introduction of Rossi's ecat energy

898
00:38:38,449 --> 00:38:36,449
catalyzer device which claims to

899
00:38:41,209 --> 00:38:38,459
generate more energy output than his

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00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:41,219
input due to low energy nuclear reaction

901
00:38:45,890 --> 00:38:43,890
or LAN are what makes this claim

902
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:45,900
different is that at least 15 scientists

903
00:38:49,459 --> 00:38:47,249
from around the world including NASA

904
00:38:51,289 --> 00:38:49,469
have lent some support for it after

905
00:38:53,749 --> 00:38:51,299
witnessing a demonstration analyzing the

906
00:38:55,519 --> 00:38:53,759
results they generally conclude that the

907
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,529
output power was apparently much larger

908
00:38:58,249 --> 00:38:57,119
than the input and only nuclear

909
00:39:01,219 --> 00:38:58,259
reactions could account for the

910
00:39:03,650 --> 00:39:01,229
difference however dick smith patron of

911
00:39:05,089 --> 00:39:03,660
Australian skeptics says it would be

912
00:39:07,359 --> 00:39:05,099
great if it's true but it's more likely

913
00:39:09,739 --> 00:39:07,369
just a Miss connection of the power lead

914
00:39:11,870 --> 00:39:09,749
bit of background now Smith was

915
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:11,880
approached in December to invest two

916
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:13,170
hundred thousand dollars in the scheme

917
00:39:17,779 --> 00:39:15,089
to provide almost free energy and thus

918
00:39:19,759 --> 00:39:17,789
save the planet from climate change he

919
00:39:22,459 --> 00:39:19,769
sent aerospace engineer Ian Bryce of

920
00:39:24,259 --> 00:39:22,469
Australian skeptics that's me to

921
00:39:27,049 --> 00:39:24,269
investors meeting on the New South Wales

922
00:39:29,929 --> 00:39:27,059
north coast on January 13 to investigate

923
00:39:32,359 --> 00:39:29,939
now you remember at that time we

924
00:39:33,890 --> 00:39:32,369
reported back to dick smith and said

925
00:39:35,059 --> 00:39:33,900
that there's a mysterious blue box

926
00:39:37,099 --> 00:39:35,069
involved here that I don't quite

927
00:39:38,689 --> 00:39:37,109
understand its purpose we shouldn't

928
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:38,699
invest in it until we investigate a bit

929
00:39:43,939 --> 00:39:42,089
more now let's recall the setup as its

930
00:39:46,370 --> 00:39:43,949
as the scientists have observed it

931
00:39:47,929 --> 00:39:46,380
firstly the demonstrations taking place

932
00:39:49,669 --> 00:39:47,939
in a room and there's a power point as a

933
00:39:52,549 --> 00:39:49,679
power cord coming from the power point

934
00:39:54,949 --> 00:39:52,559
to a blue box which has got some buttons

935
00:39:56,569 --> 00:39:54,959
and dials on it and it's got a bunch of

936
00:40:00,259 --> 00:39:56,579
wires going to several resistive heating

937
00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:00,269
devices in the reactor which is a copper

938
00:40:04,310 --> 00:40:01,710
device

939
00:40:05,930 --> 00:40:04,320
to contain the nuclear reaction and the

940
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:05,940
heck out put is measured by putting

941
00:40:09,859 --> 00:40:08,130
pumping in cold water in one end and

942
00:40:11,930 --> 00:40:09,869
measuring the amount of steam and hot

943
00:40:13,130 --> 00:40:11,940
water that come out the other so by

944
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:13,140
thermodynamics you can work out the

945
00:40:17,329 --> 00:40:15,839
increase in enthalpy it's called the

946
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:17,339
amount of energy produced by the nuclear

947
00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:20,400
reaction now the input power is measured

948
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:23,250
by a voltmeter and ammeter placed on the

949
00:40:29,060 --> 00:40:26,400
active lead near the power point and the

950
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,070
observing scientists and observers have

951
00:40:33,290 --> 00:40:31,440
all noted that this is a seems to be a

952
00:40:35,089 --> 00:40:33,300
valid way of measuring the input power

953
00:40:36,589 --> 00:40:35,099
they don't know what's in the blue box

954
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:36,599
exactly but if you open it up there's no

955
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:38,130
batteries or capacitors or energy

956
00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:41,040
storage devices all there is there is

957
00:40:46,579 --> 00:40:43,250
some electronics which appear to be

958
00:40:49,010 --> 00:40:46,589
simply regulators a bit like a light

959
00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:49,020
dimmer for AC industrial type light

960
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:51,420
dimmer several of those it's going to a

961
00:40:56,780 --> 00:40:54,930
to a circuit inside the reactor that

962
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:56,790
Rossi says it doesn't matter what output

963
00:40:59,690 --> 00:40:58,290
they're producing because their input

964
00:41:02,210 --> 00:40:59,700
from the power point is being clearly

965
00:41:05,210 --> 00:41:02,220
measured now picture this the input from

966
00:41:07,339 --> 00:41:05,220
the power point is about 1.3 amps and

967
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:07,349
230 volts with producing about 300 watts

968
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:10,170
input power but the amount of steam

969
00:41:15,410 --> 00:41:12,480
coming out corresponds to about 3000

970
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:15,420
watts and this goes on for about three

971
00:41:19,630 --> 00:41:17,250
hours so there's more output than input

972
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:19,640
and this is the situation that's been

973
00:41:24,829 --> 00:41:22,050
puzzling all the analysts around the

974
00:41:28,310 --> 00:41:24,839
world and adding a lot of credibility to

975
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,320
cold fusion and enabling Rossi to gain

976
00:41:33,140 --> 00:41:30,240
some credence with investors to put

977
00:41:35,530 --> 00:41:33,150
money into the scheme now since that

978
00:41:37,790 --> 00:41:35,540
time what's happened is that I've been

979
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:37,800
puzzling over this setup and wondering

980
00:41:42,140 --> 00:41:39,570
where the energy could be coming from if

981
00:41:44,690 --> 00:41:42,150
it's not real maybe it is real cold

982
00:41:46,599 --> 00:41:44,700
fusion but there are actually a few

983
00:41:49,130 --> 00:41:46,609
problems with had been real cold fusion

984
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:49,140
when is the lack of a theory to support

985
00:41:53,060 --> 00:41:51,210
it another one is Rossi's credibility

986
00:41:55,370 --> 00:41:53,070
I'd like to correct something I said a

987
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:55,380
couple of weeks ago I mentioned Rossi

988
00:41:59,390 --> 00:41:56,970
not being a physicist I should have said

989
00:42:01,099 --> 00:41:59,400
that he claimed to have a chemical

990
00:42:02,810 --> 00:42:01,109
engineering degree from Kensington

991
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:02,820
University and that claim turned out to

992
00:42:09,890 --> 00:42:06,480
be false so now what was wrong with this

993
00:42:12,349 --> 00:42:09,900
setup it came to me in at 353 am at a

994
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:12,359
Eureka moment having trouble sleeping

995
00:42:17,359 --> 00:42:15,210
always boiling over in my mind

996
00:42:20,210 --> 00:42:17,369
and I realized that let's suppose that

997
00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:20,220
the earth wire of this power cord had

998
00:42:26,540 --> 00:42:23,310
been connected not to the earth penis

999
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:26,550
are supposed to but to the active pin so

1000
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:28,560
it can carry power into the blue box and

1001
00:42:31,970 --> 00:42:30,210
is not being measured because no one

1002
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:31,980
measures current in the earth wire it's

1003
00:42:36,859 --> 00:42:34,770
assumed to be zero and let's suppose

1004
00:42:40,190 --> 00:42:36,869
that in the blue box the earth wire goes

1005
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:40,200
to a second regulator called let's say

1006
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:43,290
the B regulator which is going into a

1007
00:42:48,650 --> 00:42:46,560
big resistor inside the reactor then

1008
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:48,660
Russy can turn up these two light

1009
00:42:51,710 --> 00:42:50,160
dimmers in effect aney there's an

1010
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:51,720
official power which gets through comes

1011
00:42:55,310 --> 00:42:52,890
with the active wire and shows on the

1012
00:42:57,170 --> 00:42:55,320
meters to regulate array and there's an

1013
00:43:00,200 --> 00:42:57,180
unofficial power which is now coming

1014
00:43:03,260 --> 00:43:00,210
through the earth wire to regulate it

1015
00:43:04,609 --> 00:43:03,270
being unmeasured and a lot of people

1016
00:43:06,170 --> 00:43:04,619
have said the drazi said to this box

1017
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,180
fiddling with the switches are fair bit

1018
00:43:10,310 --> 00:43:08,400
during the experiment but nothing seems

1019
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:10,320
to happen to the input power shown on

1020
00:43:15,170 --> 00:43:12,330
the meter of course because it's only

1021
00:43:16,940 --> 00:43:15,180
that 300 watts so my theory is that

1022
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:16,950
perhaps the earth wire has been Miss

1023
00:43:21,710 --> 00:43:19,170
connected that the power plug and inside

1024
00:43:23,420 --> 00:43:21,720
the blue box to regulate Abby so that

1025
00:43:26,420 --> 00:43:23,430
there's a an unofficial circuit

1026
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:26,430
bypassing the power meter now whether

1027
00:43:29,870 --> 00:43:27,839
this is deliberate or accidental it's

1028
00:43:32,050 --> 00:43:29,880
not for me to say and so let's assume it

1029
00:43:35,359 --> 00:43:32,060
was an accident but that nevertheless

1030
00:43:37,940 --> 00:43:35,369
this situation could have possibly apply

1031
00:43:40,780 --> 00:43:37,950
for the first seven demonstrations of

1032
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:40,790
recap all away from December 2010

1033
00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:45,330
through to about June in 2011 all the

1034
00:43:49,730 --> 00:43:47,310
tests of three models called the 10

1035
00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:49,740
kilowatt model the three kilowatt model

1036
00:43:54,620 --> 00:43:51,900
and the three kilowatt truncated model

1037
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:54,630
so that could explain for the power gain

1038
00:43:59,300 --> 00:43:57,210
there because from the power plug you

1039
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:59,310
can draw about 12 amps which is about

1040
00:44:02,420 --> 00:44:00,960
the equivalent of three thousand watts

1041
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:02,430
worth of power from a power point and

1042
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:03,690
that would explain all of the steam

1043
00:44:10,490 --> 00:44:07,890
generated now going on after june in

1044
00:44:12,109 --> 00:44:10,500
2011 there have been several more

1045
00:44:14,510 --> 00:44:12,119
demonstrations but they've been an

1046
00:44:17,390 --> 00:44:14,520
entirely different set up its so-called

1047
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,400
27 kilowatt device much bigger and in

1048
00:44:22,130 --> 00:44:19,680
this case the wiring from the power

1049
00:44:24,620 --> 00:44:22,140
point has been different and easily

1050
00:44:26,180 --> 00:44:24,630
measured the earth wire hypothesis can't

1051
00:44:27,380 --> 00:44:26,190
explain those last two tests but a

1052
00:44:28,090 --> 00:44:27,390
number of other scientists have pointed

1053
00:44:29,350 --> 00:44:28,100
out

1054
00:44:32,170 --> 00:44:29,360
that there are thermocouples in the

1055
00:44:34,090 --> 00:44:32,180
output circuit which are wrongly placed

1056
00:44:36,580 --> 00:44:34,100
he has a heat exchanger now in the

1057
00:44:38,590 --> 00:44:36,590
output circuit and the thermocouples are

1058
00:44:39,970 --> 00:44:38,600
supposed to measure the temperature rise

1059
00:44:41,980 --> 00:44:39,980
of the wadding water flowing through the

1060
00:44:43,690 --> 00:44:41,990
secondary circuit been the the power

1061
00:44:45,370 --> 00:44:43,700
generated is the temperature rise times

1062
00:44:48,340 --> 00:44:45,380
a specific heat of water times the flow

1063
00:44:50,020 --> 00:44:48,350
all very simple thermodynamics but in

1064
00:44:52,210 --> 00:44:50,030
fact the thermocouple appears to be

1065
00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:52,220
responding instead to the steam

1066
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:54,110
temperature instead of the cold water

1067
00:44:59,560 --> 00:44:57,530
that the secondary circuit so that would

1068
00:45:01,720 --> 00:44:59,570
have amplified the output power recorded

1069
00:45:05,050 --> 00:45:01,730
their sort of boils down to that in all

1070
00:45:08,290 --> 00:45:05,060
of the tests of Rossi's ecat cold fusion

1071
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:08,300
devices we've now got an explanation why

1072
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:10,160
the output power appeared to be more

1073
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:12,410
than the input power we're calling on

1074
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:14,450
mr. Rossi to repeat one of the tests we

1075
00:45:19,810 --> 00:45:16,850
suggest that the test of the 29th of

1076
00:45:21,220 --> 00:45:19,820
March which was the best documented and

1077
00:45:22,900 --> 00:45:21,230
I'll go along there and I'll measure the

1078
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power in all three leads and we'll see

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him if he still gets his excess power

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00:45:30,100 --> 00:45:28,280
coming out and if he does say then I'll

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00:45:33,010 --> 00:45:30,110
apologize and I'll peer supporter of his

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00:45:35,260 --> 00:45:33,020
project so that's the situation is it at

1083
00:45:37,870 --> 00:45:35,270
the moment since we put out our press

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00:45:39,550 --> 00:45:37,880
release and posted it on quite a few

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00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:39,560
blogs around the world there a

1086
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:41,690
surprising number of blogs and forums

1087
00:45:46,750 --> 00:45:45,410
devoted to Rossi's ecat device because

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00:45:48,610 --> 00:45:46,760
there's a large number of people who

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00:45:50,770 --> 00:45:48,620
have been convinced by the fact that all

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00:45:53,050 --> 00:45:50,780
these scientists supported quite rightly

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00:45:56,020 --> 00:45:53,060
so I guess so we've put our press

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00:45:59,350 --> 00:45:56,030
release where possible on the on these

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00:46:00,960 --> 00:45:59,360
websites and I've been very active on

1094
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:00,970
the blogs explaining what it's all about

1095
00:46:05,350 --> 00:46:03,410
we've got our basic press release which

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00:46:10,330 --> 00:46:05,360
you can download from the skeptics

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00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:10,340
website on ww skeptics kome you and that

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00:46:13,930 --> 00:46:11,810
has links to supporting documents

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00:46:16,030 --> 00:46:13,940
because like all scientific theories

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00:46:17,980 --> 00:46:16,040
it's only as good as the traceability of

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00:46:20,410 --> 00:46:17,990
the data I've got a second layer of

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00:46:21,850 --> 00:46:20,420
documents of about ten documents that

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00:46:23,980 --> 00:46:21,860
are linked from the main document and

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00:46:25,810 --> 00:46:23,990
then when it wants further details to

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00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:25,820
back up that I can provide sources for

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00:46:31,930 --> 00:46:29,090
all my material on this hypothesis now

1107
00:46:34,450 --> 00:46:31,940
boy of the blog's been melting down as a

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00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:34,460
response it appears that some of Rossi's

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00:46:38,110 --> 00:46:36,650
followers and have had their nose

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00:46:39,700 --> 00:46:38,120
completely put out of joint by

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00:46:41,050 --> 00:46:39,710
suggesting that there might be another

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00:46:43,180 --> 00:46:41,060
explanation

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00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:43,190
and they've apparently done all sorts of

1114
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:44,720
Google's on me and come up with every

1115
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:46,730
bit of dirt they could find talk about

1116
00:46:53,830 --> 00:46:48,890
slinging mud I've been accused of

1117
00:46:57,130 --> 00:46:53,840
creating the protest popemobile for my

1118
00:46:58,660 --> 00:46:57,140
own attention seeking motives but that's

1119
00:47:00,820 --> 00:46:58,670
got to do with coldfusion I'm not sure

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00:47:03,180 --> 00:47:00,830
and so in pointed out that I'm a mere

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00:47:07,090 --> 00:47:03,190
atheist so what am I opinions worth and

1122
00:47:09,220 --> 00:47:07,100
the what they do is attack me I get to

1123
00:47:10,930 --> 00:47:09,230
find anyone attacking the evidence about

1124
00:47:12,580 --> 00:47:10,940
the experiments they've attacked a few

1125
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:12,590
other statements I've made for example I

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00:47:17,290 --> 00:47:15,410
said that the things like it was a bit

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00:47:19,660 --> 00:47:17,300
puzzling that Rossi was letting the

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00:47:21,220 --> 00:47:19,670
wastewater from his reactor go down the

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00:47:23,980 --> 00:47:21,230
sink was one would expect it to be

1130
00:47:25,540 --> 00:47:23,990
radioactive and be treated as waste if

1131
00:47:27,340 --> 00:47:25,550
there's a real nuclear reaction going on

1132
00:47:29,650 --> 00:47:27,350
I also said that the scientists

1133
00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:29,660
measuring radiation in the room detected

1134
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:31,730
no radiation therefore there was no

1135
00:47:35,350 --> 00:47:33,440
nuclear reaction going on they say

1136
00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:35,360
things like I guess but this cold fusion

1137
00:47:38,740 --> 00:47:37,310
is a type of low-energy nuclear reaction

1138
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:38,750
and the physics is not all in on that

1139
00:47:43,330 --> 00:47:40,850
yet the theory so maybe it doesn't

1140
00:47:45,610 --> 00:47:43,340
produce any radiation so I'm seeking

1141
00:47:47,770 --> 00:47:45,620
some back up on these things from some

1142
00:47:50,770 --> 00:47:47,780
of the real nuclear physicists around

1143
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:50,780
the world to find out how true these are

1144
00:47:54,220 --> 00:47:52,010
but the fact remains from an

1145
00:47:56,350 --> 00:47:54,230
experimental point of view that I've

1146
00:47:59,950 --> 00:47:56,360
provided tentative explanations on how

1147
00:48:03,010 --> 00:47:59,960
the output energy could really equally

1148
00:48:05,290 --> 00:48:03,020
input energy which would be a blow for

1149
00:48:08,410 --> 00:48:05,300
mr. Rossi in it and an equally big blow

1150
00:48:10,810 --> 00:48:08,420
for low energy nuclear reactions you

1151
00:48:12,370 --> 00:48:10,820
remember that in the last the last time

1152
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:12,380
we talked about this I called for people

1153
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:14,480
around the world to send me an email if

1154
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:16,250
they've got any information or ideas on

1155
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:17,570
it well I must say the response has been

1156
00:48:22,690 --> 00:48:20,090
fantastic we've had responses from

1157
00:48:25,690 --> 00:48:22,700
Australia from America from Sweden from

1158
00:48:28,180 --> 00:48:25,700
South Africa from Denmark from the UK

1159
00:48:30,580 --> 00:48:28,190
but I've received a lot of advice on

1160
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:30,590
points where my physics is a bit weak or

1161
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:33,890
other areas where my physics is okay and

1162
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:35,890
they've come up with their own

1163
00:48:41,500 --> 00:48:38,810
observations and comments and I've even

1164
00:48:44,410 --> 00:48:41,510
had one lady come and say was I aware

1165
00:48:46,090 --> 00:48:44,420
that such and such a group had attended

1166
00:48:50,650 --> 00:48:46,100
a demonstration by Rossi on

1167
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:50,660
such-and-such a date and they brought

1168
00:48:54,949 --> 00:48:52,559
their own instruments

1169
00:48:58,219 --> 00:48:54,959
and mr. Rossi was unable to get the

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00:48:59,870 --> 00:48:58,229
reactor to go on that day is it this is

1171
00:49:01,219 --> 00:48:59,880
yet to be confirmed but this is the sort

1172
00:49:02,989 --> 00:49:01,229
of message that's coming in and I'm

1173
00:49:04,579 --> 00:49:02,999
spending a lot of time tracking down

1174
00:49:08,499 --> 00:49:04,589
these links to speak to the people

1175
00:49:11,059 --> 00:49:08,509
involved to get to the bottom of it and

1176
00:49:13,579 --> 00:49:11,069
so far we've had no evidence at all that

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00:49:16,729 --> 00:49:13,589
the that would falsify the hypothesis

1178
00:49:18,890 --> 00:49:16,739
the most common problem they've said is

1179
00:49:21,170 --> 00:49:18,900
that don't you know that such and such a

1180
00:49:25,009 --> 00:49:21,180
person measured the current on all three

1181
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:25,019
leads and disproved your hypothesis and

1182
00:49:29,539 --> 00:49:26,729
I'd say yes but that was after thee

1183
00:49:32,539 --> 00:49:29,549
there was after july when the

1184
00:49:33,979 --> 00:49:32,549
thermocouple was the problem before july

1185
00:49:35,449 --> 00:49:33,989
where the earth lead was the problem

1186
00:49:37,759 --> 00:49:35,459
there hasn't been any case of anyone

1187
00:49:40,999 --> 00:49:37,769
measuring the input power so it's things

1188
00:49:42,319 --> 00:49:41,009
like that but a useful feedback i've got

1189
00:49:43,759 --> 00:49:42,329
a detailed list of all the

1190
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:43,769
demonstrations that Rossi is done on a

1191
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:45,359
detailed list of all the scientists

1192
00:49:49,489 --> 00:49:47,609
supporting it and what they said which

1193
00:49:52,339 --> 00:49:49,499
are linked from the skeptics news

1194
00:49:54,709 --> 00:49:52,349
release and that's being amended little

1195
00:49:56,449 --> 00:49:54,719
by little as further information comes

1196
00:49:58,339 --> 00:49:56,459
in so I hoped that we've got a

1197
00:50:02,929 --> 00:49:58,349
comprehensive and accurate database here

1198
00:50:06,410 --> 00:50:02,939
that so far supports the hypothesis so

1199
00:50:07,789 --> 00:50:06,420
to wrap it up we'd all love to find a

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00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,799
new energy source which could maintain

1201
00:50:12,380 --> 00:50:09,599
our living standard well cutting the

1202
00:50:14,089 --> 00:50:12,390
carbon emissions but it looks perhaps

1203
00:50:17,390 --> 00:50:14,099
like there's a lot more work to be done

1204
00:50:31,650 --> 00:50:17,400
before that source comes along busy and

1205
00:50:38,349 --> 00:50:35,650
hi this is surly Amy from skeptic org I

1206
00:50:40,059 --> 00:50:38,359
makes ceramic jewelry it's hand formed

1207
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:40,069
and hand-painted it's inspired by

1208
00:50:47,049 --> 00:50:42,890
science and skepticism you can find it

1209
00:51:00,670 --> 00:50:47,059
at surly romics com s you are ly are am

1210
00:51:05,740 --> 00:51:03,010
well well thanks for listening to the

1211
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:05,750
skeptic zone I believe I've lost riches

1212
00:51:09,309 --> 00:51:07,250
transmission ears doesn't seem to be

1213
00:51:10,690 --> 00:51:09,319
coming through anymore that or I bent

1214
00:51:13,390 --> 00:51:10,700
one of the acupuncture needles with my

1215
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:13,400
headphones but yeah I've lost him not to

1216
00:51:17,620 --> 00:51:16,010
worry he will be back next time and by

1217
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:17,630
the way we are still on track to get

1218
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:19,280
that plane ticket for our reporter

1219
00:51:24,819 --> 00:51:22,160
Maynard to make it to Las Vegas for Tam

1220
00:51:26,859 --> 00:51:24,829
10 in July and that is only going to

1221
00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:26,869
happen because people like you chip in

1222
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:28,609
and we have to thank you on Maynard's

1223
00:51:33,970 --> 00:51:30,530
behalf very much for doing that because

1224
00:51:35,859 --> 00:51:33,980
he's going to rip them up if he can get

1225
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:35,869
there you know I might even try to make

1226
00:51:41,170 --> 00:51:37,760
it out of myself I've just got to find

1227
00:51:43,809 --> 00:51:41,180
out a scheme to to get there did I say

1228
00:51:45,549 --> 00:51:43,819
scam or scam scheme scheme scam scheme

1229
00:51:47,410 --> 00:51:45,559
all I can say is I'm just sick of all

1230
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:47,420
the other skeptics own team having fun

1231
00:51:51,370 --> 00:51:49,040
while I'm stuck in this studio all the

1232
00:51:54,370 --> 00:51:51,380
time oh one more thing for those in

1233
00:51:58,569 --> 00:51:54,380
Australia channel 7 are repeating the

1234
00:52:00,670 --> 00:51:58,579
one every sunday at 11am yes by popular

1235
00:52:03,309 --> 00:52:00,680
demand you get to see Richard on the TV

1236
00:52:06,910 --> 00:52:03,319
all over again being his skeptical self

1237
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:06,920
on that very very entertaining show I

1238
00:52:11,319 --> 00:52:08,930
won't say anymore otherwise I probably

1239
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:11,329
get sued well that's it for me Stefan

1240
00:52:14,799 --> 00:52:13,520
cyka signing off we will have Richard

1241
00:52:17,339 --> 00:52:14,809
back I'm sure he's going to make a full

1242
00:52:20,319 --> 00:52:17,349
recovery by next week and it's all

1243
00:52:21,940 --> 00:52:20,329
zoning away again next time thank you

1244
00:52:26,690 --> 00:52:21,950
very much for this thing from Sydney

1245
00:52:33,890 --> 00:52:28,910
you've been listening to the skeptic

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00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:33,900
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